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by ERIC WILKINSON / KING 5 News

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Posted on February 11, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Updated Thursday, Feb 11 at 6:42 PM

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Should Starbucks ban guns in their stores?

SEATTLE - The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence is launching a petition campaign to convince coffee giant Starbucks to ban guns in its stores across the country.

"We urge Starbucks to respect the rights of the vast majority of its customers, who seek to take their families into its stores without facing the intimidating presence of openly carried guns,” said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign.

Two weeks ago, after gun enthusiasts began targeting California restaurants for meetings, carrying their handguns out in the open, executives with Peet’s Coffee and Tea and California Pizza Kitchen announced they would exercise their private property right to prohibit the “open carry” of guns in retail locations. Concerned citizens in California started urging a third chain, Starbucks, to similarly prohibit the “open carry” of firearms in its retail establishments, but Starbucks rebuffed their requests, according to the Brady Campaign.

Meantime, gun advocates are urging gun owners to frequent Starbucks stores and carry their weapons if they so please. John Pierce, co-founder of OpenCarry.org, says he applauds the company's policy to serve all lawful gun carriers worldwide.

"It is refreshing to see yet one more company not requiring law abiding gun owners to go to the back of the bus," says Pierce.  “Importantly, Starbucks joins most American corporations in deciding not to discriminate against lawful gun carriers.”

Starbucks has responded only with a written statement saying, "The safety of our customers and partners is a paramount concern. We have existing security protocols in place to handle situations related to safety in our stores. We will continue to adhere closely to local, state and federal laws and the counsel of law enforcement regarding this issue." 

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packin said on March 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM

To: hifiguy, and anyone else on here who basically says: "Show me where armed citizens are stopping crime" I give you the following link to peruse at your leasure: http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/ As an aside, my wife has been shooting since she was 5 years old. When we were first married, she said she didn't think she could bring herself to shoot an intruder, or even someone threatening her life. Two years later, the first of our kiddos joins the world, and the subject came up again. She remembered her earlier comments, but this time she answered: "In a heartbeat." So what's changed? I'll give you a clue: She's now "mama tiger' with cubs to defend..

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mkegal said on February 17, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Referring to self-defense advocates and people who support the constitution as "gun enthusiasts" and "gun advocates" is pretty slanted. Why don't you call the Brady Bunch "criminal advocates" or "anti self defense enthusiasts", since that's what they are? . . . . . By demanding that all law-abiding citizens be disarmed and prohibited from defending themselves, the Brady Bunch are saying they support criminal activity... they're making it easier & safer for criminals to work. . . . . . I want criminals to be scared of citizens. I want criminals to question whether or not their next intended victim might have claws, and might be their last attack. I want criminals to think that the price of crime (their blood, maybe their life) is too high and they're going to get out of the criminal business.

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mkegal said on February 17, 2010 at 8:54 AM

“survey to see what … Starbucks customers wanted” . . . . . Rights aren’t a majority-rule thing. I’d venture to guess that most customers want to be safe. Declaring that nobody in your store can fight back is an invitation to criminals. That’s not safe. . . . . . Besides, only law-abiding people would obey a sign, just like only law-abiding people obey laws against robbery, rape, assault, & murder. Criminals ignore laws, why do you think a sign would stop them?

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mkegal said on February 17, 2010 at 8:52 AM

“Guns scare people, especially women and children.” What a sexist comment! I’m a woman, I carry a gun & I’m not scared by it or any other weapon that’s not pointed at me! Besides, there’s no right to be comfortable or un-intimidated. There is a right to be armed, and to self-defense.

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mkegal said on February 17, 2010 at 8:52 AM

“How am I to know if you are an angry nut job, a criminal or an actual superhero…?” According to the FBI criminals don’t use holsters & don’t carry openly. So if you can see the gun & it’s not pointed at someone the person is probably OK. (See: Violent encounters: a study of felonious assaults on our nation’s law enforcement officers; Pinizzotto et al; FBI, 2006.)

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mkegal said on February 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM

“Why would you need to open carry a gun in Starbucks?” Same reason I carry a gun everywhere else – self-defense! And since the laws in CA are so restrictive, open carry is the only legal way to be armed.

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carlconstantine said on February 15, 2010 at 5:20 PM

I support gun rights. However, banning guns in Starbucks may not be a bad idea. Once customers WAKE UP and realize that they have been paying $4 or $5 for a cup of burnt coffee they might want to blast the place up. There's no way that I would pay over $1.00 for a cup of burnt up coffee. I like Uptown Expresso in Belltown since they actually have good coffee. Starbucks have been selling bad coffee for years.

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cgreen said on February 14, 2010 at 1:12 AM

As woman and American citizen I want to thank Starbucks for respecting my civil rights and not require that I make myself vulnerable to rapists & thugs by asking me to disarm to have a cup of coffee. Thank you for respecting the laws and constitution of Washington and the Constitution of the United States. The Brady Bunch could care less about what the vast majority of Americans want. Nation wide the Brady Bunch has a membership 180,000 certified spineless anti self defense fanatics. Nation wide there are over 80,000,000 law abiding gun owners. Starbucks DOES respect the rights of the vast majority of its customers. The "VAST MAJORITY" does not have the Brady Bunches irrational fear of guns. Legally armed citizen stop 2,500,000 violent crimes a year. That is why we carry guns. If you want to be a volunteer victim that is your choice. Stop trying to impose your cowardice on the rest of us. Stop trying to provide a defenseless unarmed victims to your murdering rapist allies.

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trojan33 said on February 13, 2010 at 6:48 PM

It's not that the gun control advocates are just stupid, only some are. Some are very intelligent and read the statistics and studies or history books. Which, clearly show gun control to be detrimental to society in just about every concievable way. They just don't care and are pushing their agenda for only a reason they know. It kind of makes them the evil in this world.

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tripod said on February 13, 2010 at 6:16 PM

I carry a gun and get my coffee at Starbucks... I suppose I could get my coffee elsewhere. If the BCPGV were to somehow convince Starbuck's to implement a ban. Has there been a sudden outbreak of gun related violence at Starbucks? The operative words seem California and Californian. I really don't see the need for open carry, however I also do not see the need for the average citizen to quail in fear of an unconcealed weapon. There are people out there that carry weapons that shouldn't, I agree. However do not try to force your desire to remain unarmed on me. If you applied that theory to motor vehicles we would all be walking. Californians should solve their issues there. If you are a transplant Californian that feels the great need to implement that states polices and traditions here, Then you should find two more like minded Californian transplants put one under each arm and head south. If you are a former Californian who left that veil of tears to escape the drama. Welcome

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junit2006 said on February 13, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Maybe, had there been someone else with a gun, in that coffee shop when the cops were killed, justice would have been served while innocent lives were protected. Maybe, September 11th, would have taken a different turn had Americans been able to legally carry on domestic flights? Maybe... But we will always be a target, we will always be a victim, if we keep letting people take away rights, and discourage taking responsibility as a nation. Why do bullies, bully their victims? Because it's easy. We keep going on like this, and we can replace the Eagle with a chicken, arrows with a pencil, shield with a piece of paper, and instead of olive branches, we could use pansies.

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junit2006 said on February 13, 2010 at 9:55 AM

"Why would you need to open carry at Starbucks?" Well, law abiding citizens carry to protect themselves and others as responsible Americans should do. Protect each other. If I am being robbed at gunpoint, I'd rather someone help me with equal force, then know that my fellow Americans are hiding or preparing another bill. "It's the right of gun owners to not interfere with my life." (paraphrasing the sentiment repeated.) There have been years of people expressing their rights that cause interference to America. Does it mean they deserve less rights, or should handle their rights with more "responsibility" (code for "dont enforce your rights when they conflict with my comfort level") because I have to park 18 blocks away from work during a pride parade? Or when I have to inhale second hand smoke on the way into a bar? Or maybe your soap or perfume causes me to sneeze, should you be sentenced to home confinement? Maybe Navdeep shouldn't own a 7-11 because his customs makes me feel funny?

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junit2006 said on February 13, 2010 at 9:40 AM

So if I am reading this right, all in favor of taking gun rights away from Americans, believe the West would have been a safer place had there not been an "equalizer"? It is a fact, there were less rapes, murders, home invasions, assaults, and coach jackings, when everyone was expected to carry some sort of firearm. If it weren't for those who stood up and protected their towns, banded together and helped law enforcement (1-4 cops per town is not enough), and stood their grounds for rights established without a fee, we would have a cesspool of a country. Crime rates do go up when you have citizens who do not protect themselves. Because the bottom line is, there are not enough law enforcement. So would a murderer or rapist want to come to my house, where my wife and I are armed and my 2 oldest kids know proper firearm safety, and shooting, or your house, where you can cite laws and regulations all night long, maybe in hopes of boring them into rehabilitation?

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bookman said on February 12, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Hey! Hifiguy! Yeah, you! Jim Beal and I went to the Starbucks near 12th and Cherry. Guess what? Not a single eyebrow was raised in the 30 minutes we were there; and our pistols were in plain sight. We were just two more customers, which is the way it should be.

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malichite said on February 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM

For those of you who think open carrying is reckless think of it this way. Put yourself in the shoes of a criminal. You have two people to choose from to rob, one guy who may or may not be armed, and one guy who has a pistol on his hip. Which one will you choose. My guess is you choose the person who will not put up a fight. Now, put yourself in the shoes of a person deciding to arm themselves. You have a decision to make, you could be the person showing that you will not go down without a fight and that you are willing to defend yourself against an attacker by open carrying, or you could conceal your weapon. The second you conceal your weapon, you now became the person from example one who seems to not be armed. You still have the same mindset of I am going to defend myself, but now you have increased your risk of an attack and increased the probability of having to draw and possibly use your weapon. Open carry simply decreases your chances of becoming a statistic.

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mrcasual said on February 12, 2010 at 12:04 PM

A fear of guns, as with all things, is a display of ignorance. How many criminals freely display their weapon? They keep them concealed illegally to not draw attention. Until it's time to strike! If a person is carrying a firearm in plain view, they take the chance of being challenged at any time by law enforcement. It's the people you don't see carrying a gun you should fear. I doubt that "nut job" will be displaying his guns when he snaps. Guns should not be feared any more than the cars people drive. At any time, one of those vehicles can be turned into a weapon and injure many more people than a gun will. Should Starbucks ban cars too? As stated before, the bad people are not going to abide by the no gun policy. Remember this: "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them." Instead of living in fear, go to a local shooting range, rent a gun, get comfortable with them... Armed citizens helped to make this country what it is. Don't let them take that away.

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morganthomas said on February 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM

The way people are getting shot in Western Washington and Oregon,you're crazy if you think I'm going somewhere and not "carry". I want some scum bag to know if he messes with me or my family he is the one who is going to be looking for a doctor or a cop.I'm not some "nut" running around on meth or looking to hurt someone. But if you try to hurt me I WILL hurt you back! The cops can't be everywhere.Take note Helmkle You live in Washington DC. They took everyones right to carry away. You have one of the highest homicide rates in the country. Don't come to me when someone breaks into your home or confronts you on the street. Just get out your police whistle or your umbrella.

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007bondjamesbond said on February 12, 2010 at 11:02 AM

When seconds count the police are only minutes away!!! Criminals do not obey no guns allowed signs. What the sign is saying is the is a safe place to rob and murder because no legally owned guns is allowed. You just made it a CEZ (Criminal Empowerment Zone).

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sirbobby98121312 said on February 12, 2010 at 9:02 AM

Starbucks, like Walmart, fall back on the 'whatever the State allows' response. And that's a good thing. In the last 30 years, how many legal carriers have caused a problem at the store? None. So, all of a sudden, the mere sight of a dreaded weapon gets your dainties in a knot?

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teufel said on February 12, 2010 at 4:50 AM

If you people want stricter gun laws. Then tack on an automatic death sentence with no appeals to those who commit crimes with guns.

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logic14 said on February 12, 2010 at 3:59 AM

ATTENTION ALL CRIMINALS unarmed victims at STARBUCKS. Assault, rape, rob, murder at will!!!

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paddy_v said on February 12, 2010 at 3:40 AM

morrow and hifiguy, I open carry in Lakewood all the time. Little Caesars, Safeway, Wal-Mart, etc. Only Costco in Tacoma has told me it's not allowed, so I gave back my membership card and left. It's really not like reading Arabic on an airplane. It's becoming more common, more accepted. I open carry because I can. Rights are like muscles. If you don't exercise them, they atrophy and wither away. I don't open carry to draw attention. I'd say 90% of the time nobody even notices. I carry period because I refuse to be a victim, and it's a basic human right to defend one's self and loved ones if faced with a threat. This goes for all levels of force. Obviously pulling a gun on someone of close to equal or smaller stature if they're threatening with fists isn't appropriate. My firearm is my last resort, but I make sure it's there just in case I need it. This isn't to say that everyone absolutely must open carry. Carry how you feel comfortable, open or concealed. I choose open.

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hifiguy said on February 12, 2010 at 2:44 AM

M96, I have no issue with concealed weapons. I have no issue with people owning guns. I expect that gun owners handle their weapons in a manner that instills security and is not disruptive to the atmosphere. What I do have an issue with, is those who make carrying their weapon a spectator sport, provoking others and destroying a peaceful atmosphere while they enjoy their right to carry a firearm. Therefore, in the interest of civility, I would hope that an out of sight, out of mind policy works in terms of keeping patrons at ease, and allowing for your personal security as well as others. Those, who think that carrying a firearm in the open, might recall the incident about 8 years ago in Tacoma, in which the assailant took the officers pistol and was going to shoot him in the alley. Luckily he survived.. This issue is easily solved, by concealment. No harm, no foul, no one even knows. Peace

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batousaii said on February 12, 2010 at 2:20 AM

Actually hifi-guy, have you realized our country was founded by paranoid cowboys ,as you so humbly put it? Or realized your ability to even say that on an open forum was paid for by the blood of armed patriots? Have you read the news lately? About the police shootings, 15 year old girls getting their heads stomped by thugs who wanted her ipod, or perhaps ask Jaycee Lee Dugard's parents if they would have wanted a chance to protect their daughter. Perhaps you would like to invite some of the Clemins crew to your house for some lunch? Fact is, Violent and brutal felons are let out of jail at an alarming rate, and what exactly is your plan to safeguard yourself if you were to encounter one of these in a awkward capacity, say, he wants to harm you or your girl friend, or perhaps wants some cash from you, and to eliminate any witnesses. Have you realized the capacity of this world? or just hide your heading in the sand perhaps. I do carry an old west sixgun. but it's not for you.

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batousaii said on February 12, 2010 at 2:14 AM

censor often ?

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ed_lepps said on February 12, 2010 at 2:05 AM

Where does the Brady Bunch get off trying to bully a company like Starbucks? The Brady Bunch expends a great deal of energy making up lies and misleading studies about law abiding gun owners. It's a game to continue misleading their dwindling numbers of supporters and to attempt to gain new support from the fear they generate. I'm a new Starbucks customer, and I might be there armed. I might not. Thank you Starbucks for leaving the decision up to me. As long as you respect my rights, you will enjoy my business. Background checks do NOT save lives.

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__m96__ said on February 12, 2010 at 1:50 AM

hifiguy-calling the shots...nice one. I took my wife to dinner downtown we were headed back to our car at pike place market. We were jumped by three kids who I did not shoot even though I would have been justified.The criminals of today are vicious and unforgiving,I will not hide in my house and I won't simply be a victim NO WAY!!! I do however agree with hifiguy about open carry.What people don't se dosen't bother them."If you were playing cards it's like showin your hand".

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jackwong said on February 12, 2010 at 1:41 AM

Coming out of the bloodbath we had last year with the policemen/woman being shot, this is definitely a step forward towards a more peaceful society in America.

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kingsolver1000rr said on February 11, 2010 at 11:52 PM

Where do these idoits get their facts from? Did they complete an empirical survey to see what the vast majoity of Starbucks customers wanted. How many people is vast majority according to the Brady bunch? (The extra voices in Paul's head don't count.) I don't open carry, but that is a decision that I make for myself, not others. Paul Hempke is a idiot, and he should tell his anti gun cult to boycott Starbucks - I bet most of them will still sneak in to get their coffee!

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hifiguy said on February 11, 2010 at 11:31 PM

The property owner calls the shots. ( in this case double pun ). You, as a gun carrier must abide by the rules we set down within our property and businesses. As far as what my America looks like, Seattle is a pretty nice place and as far as I know, Wyatt Earp hasn't stopped any bank robberies or criminals as of late.

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__m96__ said on February 11, 2010 at 11:00 PM

hifiguy-Go and take a ride along with any local police dept,And you'll see what your America looks like.....DOUBLE DOG DARE YA!!!

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navylt said on February 11, 2010 at 10:58 PM

Your America may have no need for paranoid cowboys, but you America does have need for protection from violent criminals. When you become the victim of a violent crime, as some of us have, you will soon understand.

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hifiguy said on February 11, 2010 at 10:28 PM

Now that I actually watched the video, I have to laugh. Arming up for coffee are we Wyatt? My America has no need for paranoid cowboys.

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blankingout said on February 11, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Starbucks has more important things to worry about, like where we going as a company? How many more employees and top execs need to be fired? Have we run out of ideas? Is the pour-over method going to top the Mastrena or Via release at this year's stock meeting? What are we going to do when our competition can serve the same quality of coffee drinks for cheaper? Will people in this economy still be wowed when we say Experience, Premium, Handcrafted? Those are questions... not uh should we ban guns from stores? I like their choice so far!

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navylt said on February 11, 2010 at 10:12 PM

rodywm, If the criminals can come to the coffee shop and shoot the place up (Lakewood?!?), why is it so offensive to you that I would have my gun there to maybe have a chance at protecting myself, and possibly you? No gun = 0 chance for protection. My gun may not offer protection depending on what happens, but if it is at home there is no chance at all, and even a little chance for protection is better than no chance at all.

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deros72 said on February 11, 2010 at 10:12 PM

I am the one in the video.I have carried in this manner for years.I do not seek attention and as an ex military(Army) combat vet I assure you I am well trained and I don't wet my pants.It is not an attention seeking thing .It has and will be for my own protection. Carrying in a proper holster is not brandishing.also I have been to many downtown Starbucks most recently the one by Seattle U with a friend.No one said a thing about our sidearms.A couple of months ago I was in the Starbucks in Pioneer square with an SPD officer standing in line behind me .He said nothing.I have never been asked to leave or harrased or even questioned by law enforcement.Today when the TV was following me around the manager of that Starbucks said the gun was ok but cameras are not allowed.We are turning society into a bunch of whining cowards.By the way NO ONE has the right to tell me what my rights are, or anyone elses.They need to get off this arrogant highhorse that they know best ecause they really don't

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hifiguy said on February 11, 2010 at 10:10 PM

The graveyards are filled with men who were armed and were unable to escape violence. The man that seeks to kill another on every turn, who believes that crime if just around the corner, breeds a community of paranoia and distrust. At what point, is the gunslingers paranoia, a sickness within our society...

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tootoo said on February 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM

So Starbucks states that they will " . . adhere closely to local, state and federal laws and the counsel of law enforcement regarding this issue." However those arrogant, shrieking moonbats at the Brady Campaign demand that Starbucks kowtow to them instead. You folks over at Brady Campaign really should switch to decaf - the frantic tone of your ravings is approaching the point of incoherent dementia.

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navylt said on February 11, 2010 at 9:01 PM

2. We are exercising a true right and freedom that we don't have to pay the State a tax in order to obtain the State's permission in order to protect ourselves from criminal behavior. 3. To show that it is perfectly normal for normal Americans doing normal things to have the means available to protect themselves against violent crimes.

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navylt said on February 11, 2010 at 8:59 PM

To everyone who says they "exercise their right" to carry concealed, or their "freedom" to carry concealed, I would ask you this: Is a right or a freedom something that one must pay the State a tax in order to obtain permission to exercise? Would it be considered freedom or exercising a right to vote if you had to pay $55.25, submit your fingerprints and wait 30 days to receive permission from the State in order to vote? How is that "freedom" or "a right?" Most people who open carry, myself included, do so for three primary reasons, in this order: 1. Open carry in the hopes that it will deter crime. A criminal seeking a target will see the gun and simply move on. Wouldn't that be a nice thing to happen if you were sitting next to me in Starbucks? If the criminal does not move on, then we have the gun available for self protection and we can get to it quicker than having to dig it out of concealment.

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rodywm said on February 11, 2010 at 8:58 PM

If you want to carry guns openly, go to the Zoo. That's the best way to do it. Maybe a animal will jump out the cage, and bite your nose off. But why in a restaurant. A coward that he is.Just to spoil a woman or child's appetite, to see some Civilian with a gun on his hip.Like he just got a bran new toy for Christmas? He might as well go get his James Bond 007 action pack kit, and wear that too.

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rodywm said on February 11, 2010 at 8:50 PM

It's alright to have guns. But not openly. Guns scare people, especially women and children. It just messes up your appetite. And your ability to come to a restaurant and have fun and enjoy meals,refreshments or appetizers, without being intimidated by somebody who thinks he's Mannix or The Man From UNCLE or something, in civilian clothes and a gun on his hip. I would suggest that if they want to continue this behavior. People should put them out of business. And stop going to Starbucks. Their prices are way too high anyway. They should've closed them all down.a couple of years ago, when they closed all them other stores. A lot of people feel the same way about regular Police Officers or Security Guards too So you know how they feel about a regular Civilian with a gun on his hip.

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batousaii said on February 11, 2010 at 8:43 PM

To be on topic now (sory about the previous rant - peeps like yesir get under my skin) - Has one ever concidered that police are humans too? I mean, we have had plenty of good well trained police out there, but we also had some very bad ones too. Some cops have beat teanage girls in jail, in CA is a known case of an officer stalking, and some bad police even cater to and support the criminals .. gues what - they carry gun too. Same with any human, you are going to have good and bad ones. But to not take a pro-active stance and remain vigil at all times, one then can assume the position of instant victim. You have to realise that evil is out there in this world lurking and waiting. There are however many more good people, and of properly armed will greatly outwiegh the bad ones. Police are nothing more than humans with guns - priod. Yes they have training, but then so do most of us as red-white and blue gun owners who believe in our country, our state, and community. Know your history.

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godawgs said on February 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM

I have been to Forza coffe in Lakewood. I OC'd after the tradgedy. No comments were made. I also attended the memorial at the Tacoma Dome. I OC'd to the memorial and I entered with the law enforcment crowd on the ground floor through the double doors. No comments were made. This is really a non issue for 99% of the population and only the extremist anti civil rights group like the Brady's see it as an issue.

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curtdavis said on February 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM

"hifiguy said on February 11, 2010 at 2:11 PM If your not an officer, carrying a gun into a Seattle Starbucks wont be received well even if it is your right. Try doing that in Lakewood where 4 officers got shot and see how well your accepted. Proper application of your rights vs wingnut application. You decide" Thats funny, I frequently open carry in Lakewood. I have yet to have any problems. Wingnut application? How about we just call it being responsible for your own saftey. I'd prefer not to wait for the police to come and soapstone the crimescene, all my respect to them for what they do, but when seconds count, they ARE minutes away.

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m1gunr said on February 11, 2010 at 8:12 PM

I would feel safer sitting in Starbucks with guns around me than on the road with the drivers we have in the Puget Sound area. Some of you folks need to read up on Article 1, Section 24 of the state constitution as well as the many state laws on weapons (hint it's RCW 9.41). Open Carriers are doing nothing illegal. We have worked hard to get training bulletins with many of the police departments across the state about OC. There is case law on the side of OC'ers. Do I carry in Lakewood, you bet... I OC 99% of the time here in Washington and live not far from where the 4 officers were shot. The next time you see someone OC'ing stop and talk with them, you'll find that we are lawyers, bankers, bus drivers, retired & ex-military, law enforcement, family men and women from all walks of life who have taken the extra step to ensure our family is protected when we go about our daily business. We choose not to be a victim. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away....

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hifiguy said on February 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM

If your not an officer, carrying a gun into a Seattle Starbucks wont be received well even if it is your right. Try doing that in Lakewood where 4 officers got shot and see how well your accepted. Proper application of your rights vs wingnut application. You decide.

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hifiguy said on February 11, 2010 at 8:01 PM

Try walking into a Seattle Starbucks and see how accepted you'll be with your gun. You'd better be an officer of the Law or the majority of us are going to look at you like your a wing-nut waiting for trouble. Freedom requires responsibility, and when irresponsible people abuse their freedoms, the rest of us will be more than happy to correct you.

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yessir said on February 11, 2010 at 7:58 PM

I suspect half these self professed gun toting "heroes" would be the first ones to wet their pants, let alone actually getting their firearm out of the holster. No doubt another % would shoot themselves in the foot trying to get it out of the holster. I've been thinking about riding a motorcycle inside startbucks. Afterall... they are legal you know. I have a right to bare motorcycles anywhere I please! While I'm at it maybe I'll carry my chainsaw into Tully's... you know... I've a right!

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junit2006 said on February 11, 2010 at 7:55 PM

A.) Are the people proposing this ban, going to volunteer to enforce it? B.) If you believe open carry firearms are a sign of attention seekers, then should cops be required to hide their firearms? C.) Do people really believe a shooter wont kill people in a place or rob a place because they know "firearms are not allowed"? I mean really. I am not an open carry individual, but expressing your rights to bear arms by carrying a firearm on your hip, is no different then homosexuals parading down the streets to enjoy their freedoms. If you were to ask businesses to not allow certain types of people in, whether by color or creed, you are just repeating a cycle we have all seen before. If you aren't going to enforce a silly ban like this one, are you expecting the police to be cluttered with more calls, for trivial things, while real crimes are being committed? Or are you suggesting we raise our taxes further, to police feelings of "unease" now? Law abiding citizens shouldn't worry you.

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anthony_i_am said on February 11, 2010 at 7:48 PM

"How am I to know if you are an angry nut job, a criminal or an actual superhero with a gun?" The BAD GUY is the one shooting you and your family and all the other unarmed sheep in the coffee shop. The GOOD GUY is the one either 1) wearing a badge and uniform or 2) Shooting the badguy while is slaughtering your family. So now you know.

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anthony_i_am said on February 11, 2010 at 7:43 PM

"Really, why the hell would you need to open carry a gun in Starbucks? " Same question was asked at Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas. Same question was asked at Virginia Tech and Fort Hood. Have you figured out the answer yet? If you choose not to own/carry a gun that's your right. And when you're sipping your Latte and some nut walks in and starts shooting, you can come hide behind me. Don't worry, someone will protect you when the government can't. It'll take the cops 5 - 10 minutes to get there.

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doomsjay said on February 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM

This is a stupid story, Starbucks isn't saying it supports or is against guns. The corporation is simply following state laws and should never be at blame. I really admire this company for its minimalist approach to potentional controversy, and it's constant ability to avoid sticking his hand in politics, in any direction, and to continue to do what it does best, serve coffee and continue it's push for fair trade from it's coffee producers.

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brucedavissr said on February 11, 2010 at 6:40 PM

So typical... a so called 'story' gets attention that should never get any space or time at all. It's a non-issue & Starbuck's minimalist response is perfect.

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hdcaesar said on February 11, 2010 at 6:13 PM

That is one of the dumbest ideas I have heard yet! - Do these people actually have a brain??? - What you would essentially do is notify any criminal (criminals by nature DO NOT follow rules and regulations) that he now has a gun free zone to work in. - God Help Us....

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hdcaesar said on February 11, 2010 at 6:06 PM

That is one of the dumbest ideas I have heard yet! Do these people actually have a brain??? What you would essentially do is notify any criminal (criminals by nature DO NOT follow rules and regulations) that he now has a gun free zone to work in. God Help Us....

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bill_brasky said on February 11, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Ok. I see your point. You're scared of the potential that a gun could be fired and hurt you or your family. Got that. Do you also assume that the more guns being displayed creates the potential of incidents? I think the opposite is true.

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bill_brasky said on February 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Aziza... Criminals don't use holsters. That's how you'd know.

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aziza said on February 11, 2010 at 5:35 PM

So far, besides law enforcement, we are seeing angry nut jobs and criminals brandishing guns. Where are all you superheroes that carry guns? And I disagree, a polite society is one where the law is armed and there are stiff penalties for breaking the law. This isn't the wild west! How am I to know if you are an angry nut job, a criminal or an actual superhero with a gun? How do I know while I am at Starbucks with my family that I won't get shot by one of your righteous bullets? I realize that people with concealed weapons and permits ARE law abiding, but brandishing your gun for all to see? Why not brandish your p**is to see who has the bigger one while you are at it?

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opinion11 said on February 11, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Starbucks sucks, they don't support the war so it makes me feel like they dont support our troops. Troops requested coffee from starbucks and they wouldn't give it to them. sucky!

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reh12 said on February 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM

are we still buying $5 coffees? or is it just latted, limousine liberal activists merrily social engineering because they don't have enough to do? most of the gun owner's i know would never buy a coffee at starbucks anyway. the coffee is burned, the service is poor, the product is expensive, and the customs are suspect. it does seem like a nice place for brady-ites to hang out. maybe they can get peta to join with them. mcdonalds makes better coffee anyway. plus you can skip having to be around latte liberals.

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javajoe said on February 11, 2010 at 5:14 PM

I hope Peet’s Coffee can continue doing well with the business given by those that support of the Brady Campaign. The rest of us will support the other guy, thanks.

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yessir said on February 11, 2010 at 5:05 PM

I'm certainly not against gun ownership in our country, but someone (I have no idea if they are a "law abiding citizen" or "nutjob" walking into a coffee shop with a visible gun strapped to their hip? I think I'll buy my coffee elsewhere. Unlike some, I harbor no uncanny ability to determine who the "good guys" and "bad guys" are at a glance... and me and my daughter don't really need to buy our hot chocolate in a business with someone brandishing their weapons because they feel "they have the right"..

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morrow said on February 11, 2010 at 4:40 PM

hifiguy makes a point: carrying a gun in Lakewood would be like reading Arabic on an airplane.

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bill_brasky said on February 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Ok... so.. the issue at hand is that these guys dont like gun violence. Know what? No one likes gun violence! I'm not a gun owner but I have no problem with normal law abiding citizens carrying guns. Why? Because I don't have to fear that they will go nuts and shoot me. I'd feel more securing knowing that all law abiding citizens carry guns in public spaces. That way I know that if some wacko decides to go nuts, there's someone around with the power to take action on my behalf. Banning guns does not stop the lunatic fringe from commiting crime. Banning guns from law abiding citizens just allows the lunactic fringe to do their acts without fear of self defense by law abiding individuals. Do we want criminals to walk around with no fear? I don't. I want them having to worry about the other guy and think it through before they act. An armed society is a polite society... at least in my opinion.

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mtrgphr said on February 11, 2010 at 4:30 PM

There is a time and place for Open Carry and a time a place for Concealed. I will fight to prevent either right from being infringed upon.

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starteck81 said on February 11, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Welcome to Brady Campaign, where we focus on inanimate objects rather than the problem people behind them. If they were worried about real change they would focus on legislation keeping people who have actually committed crimes locked up.

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1jdub said on February 11, 2010 at 3:56 PM

I am licensed to carry a concealed pistol in Washington State, and I do exercise that right. The key word is concealed. An armed society is a polite society. If you have not done so, get firearms training, get licensed, and get packin'. The cops won't be there when you need them.

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hifiguy said on February 11, 2010 at 3:11 PM

If your not an officer, carrying a gun into a Seattle Starbucks wont be received well even if it is your right. Try doing that in Lakewood where 4 officers got shot and see how well your accepted. Proper application of your rights vs wingnut application. You decide.

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gritz said on February 11, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Does this apply to Police officiers too?

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apennythought said on February 11, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Perhaps if a law-abiding, non-police citizen had had a gun in the coffee shop where the four police officers were shot, they might not all four have been killed; especially the fourth who struggled with the killer for a bit and the one who had time to stand up after the first two were shot. An alert, defensively-trained, non-targeted patron could have assisted and minimized the assailant's effect.

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bill_brasky said on February 11, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Why is this even an issue? It's not like it's a problem or the cause of one. Why don't they ban purple elephants in Starbucks instead? It makes the same mount of sense.

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morrow said on February 11, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Has anyone ever actually been shot in a Starbucks by a legally concealed weapon? If not, then exactly what problem are they trying to solve here?

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averagejoe said on February 11, 2010 at 2:21 PM

I think that if the Brady Campaign is trying to flex its anti gun message muscle, we should all be against whatever anti gun message they are trying to send. these people have no clue as to why they want weapons prohibited everywhere, and they will not entertain the idea that if they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns! I know that this is probably a harsh statement to make, when all I want to do is Thank Starbucks for being considerate of our 2nd Amendment rights. The Brady Campaign people I have dealt with in the past have been so ignorant of the sometimes harsh realities of life that it I sometimes wonder why they own cars or take showers. statistics have shown that these 2 items are much more dangerous than privately owned firearms.

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kkrunch said on February 11, 2010 at 2:13 PM

If you do not have a concealed weapons permit the only legal means to carry is "open carry". To conceal a wepaon without a permit is a crime.

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bookintyme said on February 11, 2010 at 1:46 PM

Thank you, Starbucks, for your reasoned and rational decision! Open carry is legal in Washington State.

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drd24 said on February 11, 2010 at 1:45 PM

What a stupid waste of time. Stuff like this only makes me want to go get a gun and a carry permit.

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wawolf said on February 11, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Really, why the hell would you need to open carry a gun in Starbucks? Afraid somebody is going to try and jack your mocha or something?

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organdonor said on February 11, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Carrying a concealed weapon is one thing. Open carrying is just stupid. Only done by people that want to draw attention to themselves.

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__m96__ said on February 11, 2010 at 1:32 PM

"....arms....discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe,and preserve order in the world as well as property.....Horrid mischief would ensure were(the law-abiding)deprived the use of them"-Thomas Paine

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__m96__ said on February 11, 2010 at 1:28 PM

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom,It is the argument of tyrants;it is the creed of slaves."-William Pitt

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__m96__ said on February 11, 2010 at 1:23 PM

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"-Thomas Jefferson

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